James Bate

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name
James Bate
aka
[James Bates, Elder James Bate]
sex
male
access
public
born
date
bp. 2 Dec 1582
place
Lydd, Kent, England
basis
compiled
confidence
probable
sources
[article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
note
Watkins's pedigree, from the Lydd register (NEHGR 51:270). Aged 53 on the Elizabeth list of April 1635.
died
date
1655
basis
compiled
confidence
probable
sources
[article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd, book-savage-genealogical-dictionary, book-bates-bulletin-1907]
note
Savage (1:138) and Watkins give 1655. His will is dated 22 Nov 1655, with a codicil of 26 Nov (Bates Bulletin).
summary
Came to New England with his family in 1635, embarking in the Elizabeth of London on 17 April, aged 53, with a certificate of conformity to the Church of England; Patience Foster and her son Hopestill were on the same list. Probably a son of James Bate of Lydd, and probably the father of Mary (Bate) Foster.
residences
date
1635
place
Dorchester, Massachusetts
basis
documented
confidence
probable
sources
[passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]
note
Ruling elder of the Dorchester church and a selectman; freeman 7 Dec 1636; his Dorchester house is in his will.
events
what
Sailed on the Elizabeth
date
17 Apr 1635
place
London, England
sources
[passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]
note
Aged 53, with his wife Alice and four children, with a certificate of conformity.
father
id
james-bate-d1614
basis
compiled
confidence
probable
sources
[article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
research
research/low/Low_Line_Research.md
note
The research places James Bate of Lydd as the grandfather of Mary (Bate) Foster.
mother
id
mary-martin-fl1580
basis
compiled
confidence
probable
sources
[article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
spouses
id
alice-bate-fl1635
married
date
13 Sept 1603
basis
compiled
confidence
probable
sources
[article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
note
By licence, to "Alice Glover of Saltwood" (Watkins, NEHGR 51:270).
basis
compiled
confidence
probable
sources
[book-savage-genealogical-dictionary, article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd, passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]

Of Lydd, Kent, and Dorchester. Came to New England in 1635 with his family. On 17 April 1635 "JAMES BATE 53", with Alice 52, Lyddia 20, Marie 17, Margaret 12 and James 9, was embarked in the Elizabeth of London, William Stagg master, with a certificate "from the Ministers & Justices of the Peace of their Conformitie to the Church of England" (Hotten). Patience Foster and her son Hopestill were on the same list, and the Milletts sailed in the same ship. His brother Clement Bate came on the same ship and settled at Hingham (Watkins). He was made a freeman on 7 Dec 1636 ("James Bate," Records of Mass. Bay 1:372), was a Dorchester selectman, ruling elder of the Dorchester church, and a deputy at the General Court of May 1640 (Records of Mass. Bay 1:288).

The Bates of Lydd were jurats and bailiffs. A brass in All Saints, Lydd, to Thomas Bate, jurat (d. 1578), reads "Full thre skore yeres and twelve ... A Juratt of thys towne was I And Thomas Bate by name. Fower chyldren now my place supply" (NEHGR 51:268). In Watkins's pedigree this Thomas was a brother of James's grandfather John Bate. Mollie traces the Bates of Lydd back three more generations; that has not been checked.

His son Richard Bate stayed in Lydd. Richard's will (19 June 1656) left "unto my mother Alice Bate in New England twelve pounds yearly," and his Lydd stone reads "Here lieth the body of Richard Bate, gent, son of James and Alice Bate sometime of this towne," adding that he had been "bayliff of this Corporation six times" (NEHGR 51:268).

Smallhope Bigg's 1638 will left 20s each to "my kinsfolk Thomas Bate, of Lydd, James Bate, Clement Bate ... all which are now resident in New England," and John Bigg's will names "My cousin James Bate of New England" (Waters, Gleanings 1:21-22).

His will of 22 Nov 1655 left his lands and goods to "sonne Richard Bate of Lid Towne in Kent in Old England," £100 each to the three children of his son James, and his Dorchester house, orchard and planting land to his grandson James Foster, his wife Alice to have the use of the house (Bates Bulletin 1).

Open questions

  • The Great Migration sketch of James Bate has not been read.
  • His mother: the colonial tree marks Mary Martin(?) as unproven, since Watkins queries her surname; the page has the link as compiled, probable. The doubt Watkins raises is about her surname.
  1. ---
  2. name: James Bate
  3. aka: [James Bates, Elder James Bate]
  4. sex: male
  5. access: public
  6. born:
  7. date: bp. 2 Dec 1582
  8. place: Lydd, Kent, England
  9. basis: compiled
  10. confidence: probable
  11. sources: [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
  12. note: Watkins's pedigree, from the Lydd register (NEHGR 51:270). Aged 53 on the Elizabeth list of April 1635.
  13. died:
  14. date: "1655"
  15. basis: compiled
  16. confidence: probable
  17. sources: [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd, book-savage-genealogical-dictionary, book-bates-bulletin-1907]
  18. note: Savage (1:138) and Watkins give 1655. His will is dated 22 Nov 1655, with a codicil of 26 Nov (Bates Bulletin).
  19. summary: >-
  20. Came to New England with his family in 1635, embarking in the Elizabeth of London on 17 April,
  21. aged 53, with a certificate of conformity to the Church of England; Patience Foster and her son
  22. Hopestill were on the same list. Probably a son of James Bate of Lydd, and probably the father
  23. of Mary (Bate) Foster.
  24. residences:
  25. - date: "1635"
  26. place: Dorchester, Massachusetts
  27. basis: documented
  28. confidence: probable
  29. sources: [passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]
  30. note: "Ruling elder of the Dorchester church and a selectman; freeman 7 Dec 1636; his Dorchester house is in his will."
  31. events:
  32. - what: Sailed on the Elizabeth
  33. date: "17 Apr 1635"
  34. place: London, England
  35. sources: [passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]
  36. note: "Aged 53, with his wife Alice and four children, with a certificate of conformity."
  37. father:
  38. id: james-bate-d1614
  39. basis: compiled
  40. confidence: probable
  41. sources: [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
  42. research: research/low/Low_Line_Research.md
  43. note: The research places James Bate of Lydd as the grandfather of Mary (Bate) Foster.
  44. mother:
  45. id: mary-martin-fl1580
  46. basis: compiled
  47. confidence: probable
  48. sources: [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
  49. spouses:
  50. - id: alice-bate-fl1635
  51. married:
  52. date: 13 Sept 1603
  53. basis: compiled
  54. confidence: probable
  55. sources: [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
  56. note: "By licence, to \"Alice Glover of Saltwood\" (Watkins, NEHGR 51:270)."
  57. basis: compiled
  58. confidence: probable
  59. sources: [book-savage-genealogical-dictionary, article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd, passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]
  60. ---
  61. Of Lydd, Kent, and Dorchester. Came to New England in 1635 with his family. On 17 April 1635
  62. "JAMES BATE 53", with Alice 52, Lyddia 20, Marie 17, Margaret 12 and James 9, was embarked in the
  63. *Elizabeth* of London, William Stagg master, with a certificate "from the Ministers & Justices of
  64. the Peace of their Conformitie to the Church of England" (Hotten). Patience Foster and her son
  65. Hopestill were on the same list, and the Milletts sailed in the same ship. His brother Clement
  66. Bate came on the same ship and settled at Hingham (Watkins). He was made a freeman on 7 Dec 1636
  67. ("James Bate," Records of Mass. Bay 1:372), was a Dorchester selectman, ruling elder of the
  68. Dorchester church, and a deputy at the General Court of May 1640 (Records of Mass. Bay 1:288).
  69. The Bates of Lydd were jurats and bailiffs. A brass in All Saints, Lydd, to Thomas Bate,
  70. jurat (d. 1578), reads "Full thre skore yeres and twelve ... A Juratt of thys towne was I And
  71. Thomas Bate by name. Fower chyldren now my place supply" (NEHGR 51:268). In Watkins's
  72. pedigree this Thomas was a brother of James's grandfather John Bate. Mollie traces the
  73. Bates of Lydd back three more generations; that has not been checked.
  74. His son Richard Bate stayed in Lydd. Richard's will (19 June 1656) left "unto my mother
  75. Alice Bate in New England twelve pounds yearly," and his Lydd stone reads "Here lieth the
  76. body of Richard Bate, gent, son of James and Alice Bate sometime of this towne," adding that
  77. he had been "bayliff of this Corporation six times" (NEHGR 51:268).
  78. Smallhope Bigg's 1638 will left 20s each to "my kinsfolk Thomas Bate, of Lydd, James Bate,
  79. Clement Bate ... all which are now resident in New England," and John Bigg's will names "My
  80. cousin James Bate of New England" (Waters, *Gleanings* 1:21-22).
  81. His will of 22 Nov 1655 left his lands and goods to "sonne Richard Bate of Lid Towne in Kent
  82. in Old England," £100 each to the three children of his son James, and his Dorchester
  83. house, orchard and planting land to his grandson James Foster, his wife Alice to have the
  84. use of the house (*Bates Bulletin* 1).
  85. ## Open questions
  86. - The Great Migration sketch of James Bate has not been read.
  87. - His mother: the colonial tree marks Mary Martin(?) as unproven, since Watkins queries her
  88. surname; the page has the link as compiled, probable. The doubt Watkins raises is about her
  89. surname.
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