James Bate
Personpeople/james-bate-fl1635.md
As written
- name
- James Bate
- aka
- [James Bates, Elder James Bate]
- sex
- male
- access
- public
- born
- date
- bp. 2 Dec 1582
- place
- Lydd, Kent, England
- basis
- compiled
- confidence
- probable
- sources
- [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
- note
- Watkins's pedigree, from the Lydd register (NEHGR 51:270). Aged 53 on the Elizabeth list of April 1635.
- died
- date
- 1655
- basis
- compiled
- confidence
- probable
- sources
- [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd, book-savage-genealogical-dictionary, book-bates-bulletin-1907]
- note
- Savage (1:138) and Watkins give 1655. His will is dated 22 Nov 1655, with a codicil of 26 Nov (Bates Bulletin).
- summary
- Came to New England with his family in 1635, embarking in the Elizabeth of London on 17 April, aged 53, with a certificate of conformity to the Church of England; Patience Foster and her son Hopestill were on the same list. Probably a son of James Bate of Lydd, and probably the father of Mary (Bate) Foster.
- residences
- date
- 1635
- place
- Dorchester, Massachusetts
- basis
- documented
- confidence
- probable
- sources
- [passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]
- note
- Ruling elder of the Dorchester church and a selectman; freeman 7 Dec 1636; his Dorchester house is in his will.
- events
- what
- Sailed on the Elizabeth
- date
- 17 Apr 1635
- place
- London, England
- sources
- [passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]
- note
- Aged 53, with his wife Alice and four children, with a certificate of conformity.
- father
- id
- james-bate-d1614
- basis
- compiled
- confidence
- probable
- sources
- [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
- research
- research/low/Low_Line_Research.md
- note
- The research places James Bate of Lydd as the grandfather of Mary (Bate) Foster.
- mother
- id
- mary-martin-fl1580
- basis
- compiled
- confidence
- probable
- sources
- [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
- spouses
- id
- alice-bate-fl1635
- married
- date
- 13 Sept 1603
- basis
- compiled
- confidence
- probable
- sources
- [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]
- note
- By licence, to "Alice Glover of Saltwood" (Watkins, NEHGR 51:270).
- basis
- compiled
- confidence
- probable
- sources
- [book-savage-genealogical-dictionary, article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd, passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]
Of Lydd, Kent, and Dorchester. Came to New England in 1635 with his family. On 17 April 1635 "JAMES BATE 53", with Alice 52, Lyddia 20, Marie 17, Margaret 12 and James 9, was embarked in the Elizabeth of London, William Stagg master, with a certificate "from the Ministers & Justices of the Peace of their Conformitie to the Church of England" (Hotten). Patience Foster and her son Hopestill were on the same list, and the Milletts sailed in the same ship. His brother Clement Bate came on the same ship and settled at Hingham (Watkins). He was made a freeman on 7 Dec 1636 ("James Bate," Records of Mass. Bay 1:372), was a Dorchester selectman, ruling elder of the Dorchester church, and a deputy at the General Court of May 1640 (Records of Mass. Bay 1:288).
The Bates of Lydd were jurats and bailiffs. A brass in All Saints, Lydd, to Thomas Bate, jurat (d. 1578), reads "Full thre skore yeres and twelve ... A Juratt of thys towne was I And Thomas Bate by name. Fower chyldren now my place supply" (NEHGR 51:268). In Watkins's pedigree this Thomas was a brother of James's grandfather John Bate. Mollie traces the Bates of Lydd back three more generations; that has not been checked.
His son Richard Bate stayed in Lydd. Richard's will (19 June 1656) left "unto my mother Alice Bate in New England twelve pounds yearly," and his Lydd stone reads "Here lieth the body of Richard Bate, gent, son of James and Alice Bate sometime of this towne," adding that he had been "bayliff of this Corporation six times" (NEHGR 51:268).
Smallhope Bigg's 1638 will left 20s each to "my kinsfolk Thomas Bate, of Lydd, James Bate, Clement Bate ... all which are now resident in New England," and John Bigg's will names "My cousin James Bate of New England" (Waters, Gleanings 1:21-22).
His will of 22 Nov 1655 left his lands and goods to "sonne Richard Bate of Lid Towne in Kent in Old England," £100 each to the three children of his son James, and his Dorchester house, orchard and planting land to his grandson James Foster, his wife Alice to have the use of the house (Bates Bulletin 1).
Open questions
- The Great Migration sketch of James Bate has not been read.
- His mother: the colonial tree marks Mary Martin(?) as unproven, since Watkins queries her surname; the page has the link as compiled, probable. The doubt Watkins raises is about her surname.
---name: James Bateaka: [James Bates, Elder James Bate]sex: maleaccess: publicborn:date: bp. 2 Dec 1582place: Lydd, Kent, Englandbasis: compiledconfidence: probablesources: [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]note: Watkins's pedigree, from the Lydd register (NEHGR 51:270). Aged 53 on the Elizabeth list of April 1635.died:date: "1655"basis: compiledconfidence: probablesources: [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd, book-savage-genealogical-dictionary, book-bates-bulletin-1907]note: Savage (1:138) and Watkins give 1655. His will is dated 22 Nov 1655, with a codicil of 26 Nov (Bates Bulletin).summary: >-Came to New England with his family in 1635, embarking in the Elizabeth of London on 17 April,aged 53, with a certificate of conformity to the Church of England; Patience Foster and her sonHopestill were on the same list. Probably a son of James Bate of Lydd, and probably the fatherof Mary (Bate) Foster.residences:- date: "1635"place: Dorchester, Massachusettsbasis: documentedconfidence: probablesources: [passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]note: "Ruling elder of the Dorchester church and a selectman; freeman 7 Dec 1636; his Dorchester house is in his will."events:- what: Sailed on the Elizabethdate: "17 Apr 1635"place: London, Englandsources: [passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]note: "Aged 53, with his wife Alice and four children, with a certificate of conformity."father:id: james-bate-d1614basis: compiledconfidence: probablesources: [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]research: research/low/Low_Line_Research.mdnote: The research places James Bate of Lydd as the grandfather of Mary (Bate) Foster.mother:id: mary-martin-fl1580basis: compiledconfidence: probablesources: [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]spouses:- id: alice-bate-fl1635married:date: 13 Sept 1603basis: compiledconfidence: probablesources: [article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd]note: "By licence, to \"Alice Glover of Saltwood\" (Watkins, NEHGR 51:270)."basis: compiledconfidence: probablesources: [book-savage-genealogical-dictionary, article-nehgr-51-bate-of-lydd, passenger-list-elizabeth-1635]---Of Lydd, Kent, and Dorchester. Came to New England in 1635 with his family. On 17 April 1635"JAMES BATE 53", with Alice 52, Lyddia 20, Marie 17, Margaret 12 and James 9, was embarked in the*Elizabeth* of London, William Stagg master, with a certificate "from the Ministers & Justices ofthe Peace of their Conformitie to the Church of England" (Hotten). Patience Foster and her sonHopestill were on the same list, and the Milletts sailed in the same ship. His brother ClementBate came on the same ship and settled at Hingham (Watkins). He was made a freeman on 7 Dec 1636("James Bate," Records of Mass. Bay 1:372), was a Dorchester selectman, ruling elder of theDorchester church, and a deputy at the General Court of May 1640 (Records of Mass. Bay 1:288).The Bates of Lydd were jurats and bailiffs. A brass in All Saints, Lydd, to Thomas Bate,jurat (d. 1578), reads "Full thre skore yeres and twelve ... A Juratt of thys towne was I AndThomas Bate by name. Fower chyldren now my place supply" (NEHGR 51:268). In Watkins'spedigree this Thomas was a brother of James's grandfather John Bate. Mollie traces theBates of Lydd back three more generations; that has not been checked.His son Richard Bate stayed in Lydd. Richard's will (19 June 1656) left "unto my motherAlice Bate in New England twelve pounds yearly," and his Lydd stone reads "Here lieth thebody of Richard Bate, gent, son of James and Alice Bate sometime of this towne," adding thathe had been "bayliff of this Corporation six times" (NEHGR 51:268).Smallhope Bigg's 1638 will left 20s each to "my kinsfolk Thomas Bate, of Lydd, James Bate,Clement Bate ... all which are now resident in New England," and John Bigg's will names "Mycousin James Bate of New England" (Waters, *Gleanings* 1:21-22).His will of 22 Nov 1655 left his lands and goods to "sonne Richard Bate of Lid Towne in Kentin Old England," £100 each to the three children of his son James, and his Dorchesterhouse, orchard and planting land to his grandson James Foster, his wife Alice to have theuse of the house (*Bates Bulletin* 1).## Open questions- The Great Migration sketch of James Bate has not been read.- His mother: the colonial tree marks Mary Martin(?) as unproven, since Watkins queries hersurname; the page has the link as compiled, probable. The doubt Watkins raises is about hersurname.