John Dwyer

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name
John Dwyer
aka
[John O Dwyer, John Dwire, John Frederick Dwyer]
sex
male
access
public
summary
Irish labourer who, with his wife Mary Ryan, followed the work: Canajoharie, New York, about 1848, then Ohio, Moriah as the iron mines opened, the iron-works town of Black Brook, and the cotton-mill town of Cohoes in 1875. By 1880 he was farming at Birch Cooley Township, Renville County, Minnesota, next door to the Tisdells, whose daughter Martha married his son Cornelius; he was last recorded at Bandon Township in 1885.
born
date
c. 1813-1820
place
Ireland
basis
documented
confidence
proven
sources
[census-1860-black-brook-dwyer, census-1870-black-brook-dwyer, census-1875-new-york-dwyer, census-1880-birch-coolie-dwyer, census-1885-minnesota-bandon-dwyer]
note
His age gives 1813 (1860), 1823 (1870), 1820 (1875), 1817 (1880), 1814 (1885). Parents and county unknown.
died
date
aft. 1885
basis
documented
confidence
proven
sources
[census-1885-minnesota-bandon-dwyer]
note
Living at Bandon Township, Renville County, in 1885. The 1895 death at Wells and burial at Faribault in the Ancestry tree are another John Dwyer's.
residences
date
c. 1848
place
Canajoharie, New York
basis
compiled
confidence
probable
sources
[index-dwyer-ryan-children-records]
note
Their daughter Mary Ellen was born here about 1848.
date
c. 1852
place
Ohio
basis
documented
confidence
probable
sources
[census-1870-black-brook-dwyer]
note
Their son William was born in Ohio about 1851-1854.
date
c. 1854
place
Moriah, New York
basis
documented
confidence
probable
sources
[index-dwyer-ryan-children-records]
note
Their daughter Mary Ann was born at Moriah about 1853-1855, as the iron mines at Mineville opened.
date
1860
place
Black Brook, Clinton, New York
basis
documented
confidence
probable
sources
[census-1860-black-brook-dwyer]
note
Head of household.
date
1870
place
Black Brook, Clinton, New York
basis
documented
confidence
probable
sources
[census-1870-black-brook-dwyer]
note
Head of household.
date
1875
place
Cohoes, New York
basis
documented
confidence
probable
sources
[census-1875-new-york-dwyer]
note
In the household at Cohoes, the cotton-mill town, in the 1875 New York census.
date
1880
place
Birch Coolie, Renville, Minnesota
basis
documented
confidence
probable
sources
[census-1880-birch-coolie-dwyer]
note
Head of household, as "John Dwire", farmer.
date
1885
place
Bandon Township, Renville County, Minnesota
basis
documented
confidence
probable
sources
[census-1885-minnesota-bandon-dwyer]
note
The last record of him.
spouses
id
mary-ryan-1827
basis
documented
confidence
proven
sources
[census-1860-black-brook-dwyer, census-1870-black-brook-dwyer, census-1880-birch-coolie-dwyer, index-dwyer-ryan-children-records]
married
date
bef. 1848
basis
inferred
confidence
proven
sources
[census-1860-black-brook-dwyer]
note
Their eldest child was born about 1848. The trees' "c. 1841" and "1847, Freshford, Co. Kilkenny" have no source.

Father of Cornelius ("Con") Dwyer: an Irish labourer who followed the work. With his wife Mary Ryan: about 1848 at Canajoharie, New York; about 1851-1854 in Ohio; about 1853-1855 at Moriah, Essex County, as the iron mines at Mineville opened; in 1860 and 1870 at Black Brook, Clinton County, the iron-works town of the J. & J. Rogers company; in 1875 at Cohoes, the cotton-mill town, with two young Irish women boarding, Anne Ryan and Hanora Cahill; and by 1880 farming at Birch Cooley Township, Renville County, Minnesota, next door to the Tisdells, whose daughter Martha married his son Cornelius. In 1885 he and Mary, 71 and 62, were at Bandon Township (record); after that nothing is known.

Two John Dwyers merged. the Ancestry tree, and the FamilySearch tree, join him to a different man: John Dwyer of Cannon Lake and Wells Township, Rice County, husband of Mary (Shanahan), who was in Waseca County in 1860 when this John was at Black Brook, and who died at Wells in 1895 and is buried at Faribault. Their children were born in alternating years in two states. The Rice County man's death, burial and children, the name "Frederick," and an 1851 Lancashire census all belong to him or to others, not to Cornelius's father; so do nine of the seventeen children the tree gives John and Mary, who are left out here (see Research decisions).

The Kilkenny claim. The trees make him the John baptized at Gowran, Co. Kilkenny, on 15 Aug 1816, son of Martin Dwyer and Mary Walsh. The baptism is real, but nothing ties it to either American John Dwyer beyond the name, one of the commonest in Kilkenny and Tipperary. It is not used here.

Open questions

  • His death and burial, after 1885, in Renville County.
  • His origin in Ireland. The Catholic baptisms of his children (Canajoharie 1848, Moriah or Port Henry about 1853-55, Au Sable Forks or Keeseville 1856-62, Cornelius included) would name sponsors, the best route to a county.
  1. ---
  2. name: John Dwyer
  3. aka: [John O Dwyer, John Dwire, John Frederick Dwyer]
  4. sex: male
  5. access: public
  6. summary: >-
  7. Irish labourer who, with his wife Mary Ryan, followed the work: Canajoharie, New York, about
  8. 1848, then Ohio, Moriah as the iron mines opened, the iron-works town of Black Brook, and the
  9. cotton-mill town of Cohoes in 1875. By 1880 he was farming at Birch Cooley Township, Renville
  10. County, Minnesota, next door to the Tisdells, whose daughter Martha married his son Cornelius;
  11. he was last recorded at Bandon Township in 1885.
  12. born:
  13. date: c. 1813-1820
  14. place: Ireland
  15. basis: documented
  16. confidence: proven
  17. sources: [census-1860-black-brook-dwyer, census-1870-black-brook-dwyer, census-1875-new-york-dwyer, census-1880-birch-coolie-dwyer, census-1885-minnesota-bandon-dwyer]
  18. note: His age gives 1813 (1860), 1823 (1870), 1820 (1875), 1817 (1880), 1814 (1885). Parents and county unknown.
  19. died:
  20. date: aft. 1885
  21. basis: documented
  22. confidence: proven
  23. sources: [census-1885-minnesota-bandon-dwyer]
  24. note: Living at Bandon Township, Renville County, in 1885. The 1895 death at Wells and burial at Faribault in the Ancestry tree are another John Dwyer's.
  25. residences:
  26. - date: "c. 1848"
  27. place: Canajoharie, New York
  28. basis: compiled
  29. confidence: probable
  30. sources: [index-dwyer-ryan-children-records]
  31. note: "Their daughter Mary Ellen was born here about 1848."
  32. - date: "c. 1852"
  33. place: Ohio
  34. basis: documented
  35. confidence: probable
  36. sources: [census-1870-black-brook-dwyer]
  37. note: "Their son William was born in Ohio about 1851-1854."
  38. - date: "c. 1854"
  39. place: Moriah, New York
  40. basis: documented
  41. confidence: probable
  42. sources: [index-dwyer-ryan-children-records]
  43. note: "Their daughter Mary Ann was born at Moriah about 1853-1855, as the iron mines at Mineville opened."
  44. - date: "1860"
  45. place: Black Brook, Clinton, New York
  46. basis: documented
  47. confidence: probable
  48. sources: [census-1860-black-brook-dwyer]
  49. note: Head of household.
  50. - date: "1870"
  51. place: Black Brook, Clinton, New York
  52. basis: documented
  53. confidence: probable
  54. sources: [census-1870-black-brook-dwyer]
  55. note: Head of household.
  56. - date: "1875"
  57. place: Cohoes, New York
  58. basis: documented
  59. confidence: probable
  60. sources: [census-1875-new-york-dwyer]
  61. note: "In the household at Cohoes, the cotton-mill town, in the 1875 New York census."
  62. - date: "1880"
  63. place: Birch Coolie, Renville, Minnesota
  64. basis: documented
  65. confidence: probable
  66. sources: [census-1880-birch-coolie-dwyer]
  67. note: Head of household, as "John Dwire", farmer.
  68. - date: "1885"
  69. place: Bandon Township, Renville County, Minnesota
  70. basis: documented
  71. confidence: probable
  72. sources: [census-1885-minnesota-bandon-dwyer]
  73. note: The last record of him.
  74. spouses:
  75. - id: mary-ryan-1827
  76. basis: documented
  77. confidence: proven
  78. sources: [census-1860-black-brook-dwyer, census-1870-black-brook-dwyer, census-1880-birch-coolie-dwyer, index-dwyer-ryan-children-records]
  79. married:
  80. date: bef. 1848
  81. basis: inferred
  82. confidence: proven
  83. sources: [census-1860-black-brook-dwyer]
  84. note: Their eldest child was born about 1848. The trees' "c. 1841" and "1847, Freshford, Co. Kilkenny" have no source.
  85. ---
  87. Father of Cornelius ("Con") Dwyer: an Irish labourer who followed the work. With his wife Mary Ryan:
  88. about 1848 at Canajoharie, New York; about 1851-1854 in Ohio; about 1853-1855 at Moriah, Essex
  89. County, as the iron mines at Mineville opened; in 1860 and 1870 at Black Brook, Clinton County, the
  90. iron-works town of the J. & J. Rogers company; in 1875 at Cohoes, the cotton-mill town, with two
  91. young Irish women boarding, Anne Ryan and Hanora Cahill; and by 1880 farming at Birch Cooley
  92. Township, Renville County, Minnesota, next door to the Tisdells, whose daughter Martha married his
  93. son Cornelius. In 1885 he and Mary, 71 and 62, were at Bandon Township
  94. ([record](/files/sources/census-1885-minnesota-bandon-dwyer/)); after that nothing is known.
  96. **Two John Dwyers merged.** the Ancestry tree, and the FamilySearch tree, join him to a different man:
  97. John Dwyer of Cannon Lake and Wells Township, Rice County, husband of Mary (Shanahan), who was in
  98. Waseca County in 1860 when this John was at Black Brook, and who died at Wells in 1895 and is buried
  99. at Faribault. Their children were born in alternating years in two states. The Rice County man's
  100. death, burial and children, the name "Frederick," and an 1851 Lancashire census all belong to
  101. him or to others, not to Cornelius's father; so do nine of the seventeen children the tree gives
  102. John and Mary, who are left out here (see `research/decisions.md`).
  104. **The Kilkenny claim.** The trees make him the John baptized at Gowran, Co. Kilkenny, on 15 Aug 1816,
  105. son of Martin Dwyer and Mary Walsh. The baptism is real, but nothing ties it to either American John
  106. Dwyer beyond the name, one of the commonest in Kilkenny and Tipperary. It is not used here.
  108. ## Open questions
  110. - His death and burial, after 1885, in Renville County.
  111. - His origin in Ireland. The Catholic baptisms of his children (Canajoharie 1848, Moriah or Port
  112. Henry about 1853-55, Au Sable Forks or Keeseville 1856-62, Cornelius included) would name
  113. sponsors, the best route to a county.
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