Edward Collins

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name
Edward Collins
aka
[Ned Collins]
sex
male
access
public
born
date
c. 1804
place
North Carolina
basis
documented
confidence
possible
sources
[census-1850-patrick-county-virginia-edward-collins]
note
If he is the Edward Collins of Patrick County, Virginia, aged 46 and born in North Carolina in 1850 [?]. The census brackets behind the family story put Ned's birth c. 1796-1802 (an Edward aged 20-24 heading a Floyd County household in 1820; Blackburn's note of 1802).
residences
date
1850
place
Patrick County, Virginia
basis
documented
confidence
proven
sources
[census-1850-patrick-county-virginia-edward-collins]
note
Head of household, farmer.
father
id
meredith-collins-1760
basis
compiled
confidence
possible
sources
[article-blackburn-1998-one-more-mountain-to-cross]
note
On the Conley list only.
alternatives
name
George Collins, who enlisted with Meredith in 1776
claimed_by
Harold Keith Talbot and Vernice Trimble (family story, via Blackburn)
confidence
possible
mother
id
polly-holloway-1780
basis
compiled
confidence
possible
sources
[article-blackburn-1998-one-more-mountain-to-cross]
note
The research lists him among Polly's children on the Conley list alone.
alternatives
name
an Indian woman his father married "in an Indian ceremony"
claimed_by
Harold Keith Talbot and Vernice Trimble (family story, via Blackburn)
confidence
possible

The "half Indian" son of the family's one story about its ancestry, told to Blackburn by Harold Keith Talbot and Vernice Trimble: his father married an Indian girl in an Indian ceremony, and, knowing how hard the child's life would be, stole the baby and slipped out into the night. Recorded as tradition. If Ned was born about 1796-1802, the story straddles the start of Meredith's marriage to Polly Holloway (about 1799).

The candidate is Edward Collins of Patrick County, Virginia: in 1840 a household counted white (a man 30-40, a woman 30-40, two boys); in 1850 aged 46, farmer, born North Carolina, $1,000 real estate, with Eliza, 36, Davis Collins, 21, and "Samuel Holt," 24. He is absent from the 1830 Patrick census and present by 1840, the one Collins in that county's cluster who arrives in the 1830s [?].

Open questions

  • Is the Patrick County Edward this Ned? Tests: Patrick marriage records, the 1860 census, the deed behind his farm.
  • Who were his parents? The story is disputed even within itself.
  1. ---
  2. name: Edward Collins
  3. aka: [Ned Collins]
  4. sex: male
  5. access: public
  6. born:
  7. date: c. 1804
  8. place: North Carolina
  9. basis: documented
  10. confidence: possible
  11. sources: [census-1850-patrick-county-virginia-edward-collins]
  12. note: If he is the Edward Collins of Patrick County, Virginia, aged 46 and born in North Carolina in 1850 [?]. The census brackets behind the family story put Ned's birth c. 1796-1802 (an Edward aged 20-24 heading a Floyd County household in 1820; Blackburn's note of 1802).
  13. residences:
  14. - date: "1850"
  15. place: Patrick County, Virginia
  16. basis: documented
  17. confidence: proven
  18. sources: [census-1850-patrick-county-virginia-edward-collins]
  19. note: Head of household, farmer.
  20. father:
  21. id: meredith-collins-1760
  22. basis: compiled
  23. confidence: possible
  24. sources: [article-blackburn-1998-one-more-mountain-to-cross]
  25. note: On the Conley list only.
  26. alternatives:
  27. - name: George Collins, who enlisted with Meredith in 1776
  28. claimed_by: Harold Keith Talbot and Vernice Trimble (family story, via Blackburn)
  29. confidence: possible
  30. mother:
  31. id: polly-holloway-1780
  32. basis: compiled
  33. confidence: possible
  34. sources: [article-blackburn-1998-one-more-mountain-to-cross]
  35. note: The research lists him among Polly's children on the Conley list alone.
  36. alternatives:
  37. - name: an Indian woman his father married "in an Indian ceremony"
  38. claimed_by: Harold Keith Talbot and Vernice Trimble (family story, via Blackburn)
  39. confidence: possible
  40. ---
  42. The "half Indian" son of the family's one story about its ancestry, told to Blackburn by
  43. Harold Keith Talbot and Vernice Trimble: his father married an Indian girl in an Indian
  44. ceremony, and, knowing how hard the child's life would be, stole the baby and slipped
  45. out into the night. Recorded as tradition. If Ned was born about 1796-1802, the story
  46. straddles the start of Meredith's marriage to Polly Holloway (about 1799).
  48. The candidate is Edward Collins of Patrick County, Virginia: in 1840 a household counted
  49. white (a man 30-40, a woman 30-40, two boys); in 1850 aged 46, farmer, born North
  50. Carolina, $1,000 real estate, with Eliza, 36, Davis Collins, 21, and "Samuel Holt," 24.
  51. He is absent from the 1830 Patrick census and present by 1840, the one Collins in that
  52. county's cluster who arrives in the 1830s [?].
  54. ## Open questions
  56. - Is the Patrick County Edward this Ned? Tests: Patrick marriage records, the 1860
  57. census, the deed behind his farm.
  58. - Who were his parents? The story is disputed even within itself.
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